Travis and Alan talk to poets Kyla Houbolt and Stuart Buck about their books. Kyla and Stu read some poems and we yell at the Paris Review and fight about Evelyn Waugh. Plus tips for parents who forget to move the elf on the shelf while the kids are sleeping. For those of you who are on Twitter, please follow @luaz_poet and @stuartmbuck. And you know if you like this podcast you can show us some love on patreon.